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I can't even imagine the roganbro brainrot it takes to get to that place. It's almost impressive in its insanity.
Agreed. I understand the words, but cannot understand the meaning of the phrases. What is "feminine" to voló? And how are ladyboys not part of the woke mind virus? And which type of guy is the dude talking about? It's confusing to follow.
Pro tip: these people rarely ever make any sense, because they are mental ill.
MAGA is not a political party or ideology. It is a mental illness fuelled by narcissism, religion, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and nationalism. It's a dead-end death cult where feelings mean everything, and reality means nothing.
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Isn't the woke mind virus just not being a piece of shit, in essence.
The "woke mind virus" is basically these people not getting how other people can be empathetic to people who aren't exactly like them
I saw a comment on YouTube a few weeks ago that I think perfectly captures the mindset of the people who scream about the "woke mind virus".
The comment was something like "I never had a problem trusting a minority surgeon, but now they're all woke DEI hires and I can't trust any of them."
In other words, "I had no problem with minority surgeons when there were almost none of them because I had to accept that there were a handful of 'good ones' that worked hard and earned it. But now that I'm seeing more of them, I know lots of the 'bad ones' are getting in that could only get in because it was handed to them because of their skin color."
In these people's minds, 95% of white people are "good ones" and 95% of minorities are "bad ones". So if any respectable job has more than a few percent of minorities, the only logical conclusion for them is that there are lots of "bad ones" getting jobs they aren't qualified for and didn't earn.
Many people on the right think that everyone on the left supports tax payer paid gender reassigment surgeries for undocumented immigrants in custody just the same way as many people on the left believe that everyone on the right is misogynistic, transphobic racist.
51% of the country just voted for an openly misogynistic, transphobic racist and the vast majority of them were on the right soooooooo.
And the rest voted for a candidate advocating for tax payer funded gender reasignment surgeris for undocumented immigrants in custody sooooooo.
This game leads nowhere.
An extremely small number of surgeries that have been medically proven to improve outcomes of individuals is totally equivalent to supporting the rise of fascism. Sure buddy. Have fun supporting hatred and bigotry.
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That is because the being a misogynistic, transphobic racist is the primary personality of the people on the right.
Don't engage, block and move on.
Oh hey I saw that ad on YouTube also but was able to provide seconds of additional research and critical thinking but that can be difficult for some; apparently most.
I tend to fact check myself before making claims like that.
Cheers I've read that already. Imagine opposition ads blowing something out of proportion, I am aghast
Wow, I didn't know ideas so different could cohabitate together like that in someone's mind.
You should try the PNW. Birkenstock-wearing, Prius driving conservative with trump stickers all over the hybrid car.
Did you just see my neighbors driveway through their ring camera?!
They must take a lot of shit on bowling league nights when they show up in a hybrid.
Fellas, is it woke to be hetero?
Wait a minute.
*Checks the Tate guide to Masculine Success*
yes
Next step: they'll take the 4chan troll logic of "it's gay to like women" seriously
I think it is already a thing on the premise that loving a woman requires softness therefore gay
Is the "woke mind virus" a euphemism or do people believe there's an actual virus? I could imagine something like that coming from people who make videos about chemtrails.
I don’t know if he started it, but I’ve heard Musk use that phrase so I’m sure it helps the deplorables feel like real galaxy brains for hating the right people.
I'm sure to almost all, it is a euphemism. Although I'd also bet there are some people in Florida and Alabama who believe it is a literal virus that is spreading like wildfire through college campuses.
Do you think the people who use language like that understand what viruses actually are, besides "something infectious"?
No, to most of them viruses and bacteria are all just "germs". But considering how many people believe fluoride is for mind control I can easily imagine them believing the "Biden crime family" are literally spreading mind-control germs that turn people gay or atheist or make them love SoCiALiZm.
Nope
nope it's not a euphemism or nope they don't believe it's an actual virus?
They think trans people only exist because of propaganda.
They don't think its a virus.
This kind of thing terrifies me. I think there's a solid chance that that particular tweet is a joke, but the idea that there are people out there honestly concerned with the "woke mind virus" and about how women are this and that is horrifying.
Even more, the possibility that I'm just blind to my own insanity is what really fucks me up. What if they're right and I'm crazy? Seeing so much insanity that you just have to wonder if your own sanity has been compromised.
If I ever have that thought, I remember I'm not the one who hates people for immutable traits, or punches down in the name of humour
I remind myaelf of this all the time, to the point that this post pretty much wins the thread.
Tap for spoiler
(Seriously lmao the MRA's choosing this thread to #NotAllMen in is just the chef's kiss.)
(Which is on top of:
Sanity is overrated
No i mean it i reject Sanism )
Keep asking yourself this. Try to honestly see things from their point of view. It makes you stronger. To paraphrase Sun Tzu,
- if you only think through your own beliefs, you'll have a 50-50 chance of success.
- if you think through your own beliefs, AND understand your adversary's point of view, you will always succeed.
- if you do neither, you will always fail.
Yeah, I reckon it's good to question one's own beliefs and presuppositions. Still, it's upsetting.
What if I understand my enemy but not myself?
Oh boy you are in for a treat
I love treats :D
This is why RFK doesn’t eat McDonalds to get the woke mind virus brain worms.
He shot heroin for 15 years to keep away the woke.
Unironically I think this is what drives a decent portion of transphobia.
Im a straight dude and I think stockings, high heels, short skirts and boobs are just awesome but I'm also secure enough in my shit to say "That dude makes a pretty hot chick". I also know that my wife doesnt dress like that because its a lot of work, she doesnt feel the need to. Its very much a "sometimes food" as cookie monster would say.
So when knuckle dragging guys who havent seen their wife out of sweatpants and flipflops in 3 months see a dude who put more effort into their appearance in 1 day and they want to fuck that... They get mad.
Science Vs did an episode on the science behind gender and it blew my mind. How gender is determined biologically is far more nuanced than genitalia. It helped me realize that trans people truly are the sex they claim to be. They have different genitalia, but there are other biological factors at play and they are biologically whatever they say they are.
It helped me understand that "that dude" isn't a dude. That is a chick and she is beautiful.
Gender, like sexuality, is a spectrum and making it black and white is dumb. It's all the colours of the spectrum that make life wonderful.
I *almost* agree with you comment, but I have to say I can not in good conscience pretend like I believe that Cookie Monster knows the concept of a "sometimes food".
I don't see which food is being referred to as a "sometimes food" so I will just assume that Cookie Monster was referring to non-cookies when he said that.
For some reason, his general outlook and behaviour doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that he takes care of his diet, even when it comes down to him theoretically having eaten something else. (Has he, ever? Like "lore-wise." I don't watch the Muppets, sorry.)
Cookie monster lost his feet to diabetes.
You've never seen his feet have you?
I rest my case.
Ladyboys aren't dudes, though.
Some are some aren’t. It’s probably closest to the mid 20th century American concept of transvestite, which at the time encompassed everyone from transsexuals (at that time the medical definition of transsexual required what we would today describe as severe dysphoria and exclusive Heterosexuality) to the more modern definitions of trans people, both binary and nonbinary, as well as cisgender crossdressers of all varieties. Source
Transvestite prescriptively means a crossdresser, by the way. Literally, that is. "-vestire "to dress, to clothe" (from PIE *wes- (2) "to clothe," extended form of root *eu- "to dress").
I'm not gonna argue over how the terms was used in mid 20th century America, I wouldn't know. Just like etymology, don't mind me.
Oh absolutely, and it meant that then because sexology was in the process of catching up with groups of people that medicine had recently gained the ability to make the differences between far more significant. They were also very prone to medical gatekeeping and treating transition as the absolute last resort for those unable to live a normal life as their assigned gender
Ehh a fair amount of them do identify as trans(which is one of the reasons ladyBOY is a really sexist name) and something similar to femboys in the west but there are also the ones who are closer to being males and they just do it for money which is extremely sad. But i am a straight(enough that i have all the priviledge) european male so this just what i heard from others.
I don't think that prostitution is any more sad than any other job, but it all depends on the situation. If it's a human-trafficking thing where they're forced into it, or they have to deal with abusive clients, that's fucked up.
Ok but there are different fucked uppness levels. Having to work an IT job for example can be pretty chill while working in an amazon warehouse is absolutely horrid from what i heard. And then id say having to dress up and be forced to be another gender to get enough money to stay alive is even more fucked up. Of course you could argue its better than for example in even poorer countries where you would have to do even worse things. But that is a pretty complicated conversation i dont really want to get into or have the qualification for.
Sometimes I need to see the twitter feeds of people like this, as a reminder of exactly what women mean when they talk about men being scum.
Sometimes it hurts to be generalized into a category I don’t feel I belong to and it’s tempting to push back, but knowing that people are out there spending what appears to be all of their free time being horrible online and harassing women is a good reminder that women are pretty justified in having a low opinion of men in general.
Now I can go back to pretending twitter doesn’t exist for a while again.
So just because shitty men exist, we're supposed to say "welp generalizing us is fair because technically men like this exist"?
I have found pushing back is useless. People are just waiting for you to be a horrible "fragile man" instead of just realizing that being accurate in who you blame for being shitty matters. So yeah I wouldn't really conclude that if you see one example of someone being disgusting then you have to allow yourself to be falsely aligned with them.
You can just know the shitty generalizers are bigoted, and hope it's a phase for them. I certainly have never seen any value in either supporting that generalization or fighting against it.
People on the Internet love thinking they're better than you and that you're scum. The only way I know to deal with it is just by accepting it
This definitely misses the power imbalance of punching down vs up. If someone genuinely believes all men are "scum," yeah, that's prejudiced. However, there is a big difference between a group that has less power in society pushing up against the class that has more power or oppresses them and the reverse. The idea that "y group is (insert pejorative)" and "x group is (insert pejorative)" are equally bigoted statements assumes that x and y groups are equal in social power. Statements like "men are trash" or equivalent don't necessarily represent an individual's true opinion of all men, but a general pushing back against a group with more power, many individuals of which attempt to exercise their perceived privilege over women.
Women that say "all men are trash" or similar might not be thinking with this level of introspection and subtlety, but it's a subconscious reaction to their position as a group with less power. They rarely hold that on a personal level against every individual man, unless they've been deeply hurt. I have experienced things that make it harder for me to trust men. My friends have experienced things that make it harder to trust men. I do not think every man is evil. When you see the damage around you on societal levels, see the people calling for your rights to be taken away, see how they treat you like an object or property because of who you are, and you see it in the lives of many many people like you, it creates a resentment of the group that is responsible.
I am not suggesting that there are no women that take advantage of men. I am not suggesting that men cannot be abused. I am not suggesting that it's okay to make men feel responsible for the actions of people that share only a gender with them, nothing else. However, I am explaining why women might feel hurt or disempowered enough to push back against men in general, and why "men are trash" and "women are trash" (though far more often, the phrase when targeted at women takes a sexual connotation: whores, etc) are not equivalent statements. Both the women that have been hurt and the men that feel hurt by the byproduct of their resentment are victims of the patriarchy. Until everyone, regardless of gender, holds the same societal power, there will always be people of all groups being hurt by the imbalance.
TLDR: Don't resent the women who are a product of their environment saying "men are trash," resent the patriarchy that hurts men and women alike.
Additionally, statements like men are trash can hurt other marginalized groups. I've heard "men are trash" be followed or countered with "except trans men." This is transphobic. I'd like to make it very clear that "men are trash" *is* an unjustly prejudiced statement, but it is one that is a product of a broken system. See: ACAB.
Thanks for saving me the keystrokes here, I appreciate you (for real, which I’m having to say because text and… you know… how online people are).
<3
Honestly if you have to write paragraphs to defend something that is intuitively ignorant and bigoted to do, you've lost the argument by default
I think she "had to" write that much because she knew the thickness of the skull she was trying to penetrate. And your counter-"argument" only proves that point.
P.S. Just because you think something is intuitive to you doesn't mean it's correct. It just shows you're part of the system that needs replacing.
We all know that grouping people together is shitty. I don't have to make any argument
And if you took the time to read my messages, you'd recognize that I agree that saying "all men are trash" is an unjustly prejudiced statement. What you aren't realizing is the societal pressures and power imbalances which you've conveniently ignored in your argument. You're taking the same rhetorical role as the "all lives matter" people in response to BLM. I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining to you. It's your choice to learn or to stick your head in the sand, and it makes no difference to me.
See I made the mistake of reading this one and it's emblematic of exactly what I was getting at:
Your wrote an equal amount of paragraphs defending your take, albeit smaller ones lol.
Ah, the kid brother defence. "But big brother did it, I had the right to!"
*Still wrong!* Someone else being shitty and prejudiced does not in any way, shape or form excuse your prejudice. I'm sorry you've had to face prejudice, but this way you are paying it forward.
Yep.
See the sibling reply from @erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone here for a great explanation about how power dynamics work on this topic, but also:
One example? Really? That’s horse shit and you know it. Misogynistic behavior is a rampant, massive problem everywhere; online and in real life.
Your comment proves my point. Hoping in vain that some day I'll block all of you
I’d much rather you realize that your position here is rooted in emotion rather than reality than just have you block me.
You can't justify racism or sexism in any direction without indirectly justifying it in the other direction.
Blaming an entire group for the acts of a subset of that group removes the disincentive to become a part of the subset and adds a disincentive to support those who want to fight the injustice that gets reduced to another racial or gender conflict.
I think it's no wonder that many gen z males have decided to reject the mindset that demonizes white men in general, even though that mindset is often quick to add, "there's some good ones!"
And the whole justification of "they have more power" means dick all to individuals that fall in the group that feel powerless in their life. Plus there's that little voice wondering if the racism will fade if the power balance does shift or if it will be the same thing but with oppression going in the other direction.
Your argument sounds suspiciously like someone looking to justify shitty behavior.
“You can’t acknowledge an extremely well documented culture of hate because that’s reverse sexism/racism”
“You can’t say men are bad because some men are good and if you don’t give them special attention for being good they might start being bad.”
“Some men have it hard too so power imbalance doesn’t exist and you can’t use it to explain why some women are mistrustful of men in general”.
“We need to leave the status quo because if we don’t maybe the others will get control and then they’ll treat us like we treat them now”
All of the above are shitty arguments.
And you sound suspiciously like you don't want anything to get better and want to see increased racial and gender tensions by rebutting with a series of strawman arguments of the worst ways you could interpret anything I was saying.
I very much want things to get better, I suspect we just have different ideological definitions of “better”.
My version of better is a world where women don’t have to worry about every interaction that they are going to have with men, where they feel safe and secure and no woman ever gets trod upon so often that they feel compelled to lash out. We do this by lifting people up and empathizing with their frustrations, and calling out shitty behavior where we see it.
It sounds like your version of better is where we pretend that everything is ok and carry on like normal, condemning those who make any attempt to empathize as agitators.
Feel free to cite where I have strawman’d you, because I’m only inferring from what you have presented.
We want largely the same outcome, though I don't believe that the ones doing the shitty behaviour largely care about what others think about what they want to do and require responses more severe than being called out. Like even castration for repeat or more blatant offenders, and if they lash out even more in response to that, execution because they are a lost cause.
I want my daughter to never have to go through the same shit her mother did and so many others.
I also don't want her growing up in a society where bitter men support laws that make it easier for abusers to control women either and get away with rape on top of it.
The fact that pieces of shit like Andrew Tate have large followings tells me that something about how we're doing things is wrong. If it wasn't, then things would be improving. Instead gen Z, which was looking so open minded and promising just a few years ago, is getting bitter and has a divide where a much larger portion of men support(ed) Trump than women.
I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's blaming a larger group because it's difficult to tell which members of that group are the ones causing the problems. Maybe a part of it would be to improve the tools through which proof can be established, like a mechanism for proof of consent or something like that, to reduce the he said/she said aspect that create doubt abusers can use to escape consequences.
I personally am offended by your user name.
Ok.
Is this another term for trans women, or something different?
Edit: thanks for everyone who's educated me, this is really interesting!
This term is translated from the local language(s) and is considered different from trans
In western trans culture, most trans women would consider being called a "ladyboy" or "shemale" an overly sexualized insult. It's primarily used when referring to sex workers, not to someones identity. It's similar to calling a random woman who has children a MILF. So don't refer to someone as this unless that is a label they apply to themselves first.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to truly make definitive statements about how the term is used in Thailand, but from what I understand it's a rough/poor translation from "Kathoey" which is used for anyone outside of traditional gender roles meaning a more direct/correct translation would be non-binary or queer.
On a related note, Femmeboy is a term used in the west, but that is specifically referring to a younger man/boy who is effeminate. It is specifically saying they are not trans, so could be anything from a femme gay boy to someone who enjoys crossdressing.
maybe "androgynous" would be a better direct translation but what do i know
Not really, although it can be used as such, usually by folks who don’t really know what they’re talking about.
Gender identity in Thailand is complicated
Freaking fascinating.
Cross dressers rather than trans, from my understanding.
I have been on the "Misogynist stay-at-home gamers who want 'a girl they can game with' really just want a trans BF, but they're to transphobic to admit it to themselves" wave for a while now, and they just keep giving me more evidence.
Suck that strong conservative ladydick, fellas 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
God forgives, but the bradster doesn't
They have their own mind virus which makes them think that meek, innocent, naive hyperfeminity is the only valid femininity. They watch anime[^1] and terribly written women in film. Both of which infantilize women. And they watch women get dominated by men in porn.
The concept of femininity in these boys' heads is completely divorced from what it actually means to be a woman. To be a human being. They want all women to dress in school girl outfits, short skirts, or satin dresses. Women who should spend 100% of their time trying to please their husband, a word that historically means "a man who manages a property". They see women as sexy property.
As a bonus, they all want "trad wives" and yet they vote for politicians that make it impossible to survive on a single income unless they want to live in a trailer park.
Thirteen anime fans couldn't handle this comment.
Almost all anime characters look 12.